tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8054883.post111448923404492748..comments2023-10-17T02:03:30.974+13:00Comments on ObservatioNZ: 1914 - What if we hadn't goneRichhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17092996828683002246noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8054883.post-1116163976227200892005-05-16T01:32:00.000+12:002005-05-16T01:32:00.000+12:00While certainly that sore point remains, I think t...While certainly that sore point remains, I think the reasons for going to war in 1914 and 1939 were strikingly different - one was a war fought solely because the big powers simply could not resolve to let their egos down.<BR/><BR/>The other was fought because the most despicable regime of racism and hatred was smashing its way through Europe.<BR/><BR/>I definately would have supported conscription in the situation in WW2 - in WW2 our troops did make a contribution that could be seen, as perhaps was not quite so evident in the Great War.<BR/><BR/>Had we not been there, I do think the outcome of WW2 would have been markedly for the worse in Europe - The British were so desperate for us to stay early on in the war they made a deal with the US to have us stay in Europe in exchange for the US to protect us in the Pacific.Moneohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01733709291703816133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8054883.post-1114782889935077292005-04-30T01:54:00.000+12:002005-04-30T01:54:00.000+12:00I think a bigger irony is that the same Labour pol...I think a bigger irony is that the same Labour politicians who went to jail in 1916 for opposing conscription backed it to the hilt the moment they were in power. Look at Bob Semple, for example; jailed for a year in 1916, released to a heroes welcome, and in 1940 was drawing the first conscription ballots. I have photos...Idiot/Savanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08993069909613708957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8054883.post-1114688352295573042005-04-28T23:39:00.000+12:002005-04-28T23:39:00.000+12:00Interesting post Rich,Would be interesting to spec...Interesting post Rich,<BR/><BR/>Would be interesting to speculate what would have happened if NZ had not introduced conscription in WWI - Anti-conscription was one of the key issues of the early labour party and savage and holland were both involved in this. Without this, (and i am not claiming WWI was a good thing here) there may not have been a labour govt in 1935.<BR/><BR/>Somewhat of an irony when Savage died in 1940 his coffin was draped in a flag from a warship.Joe Hendrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09004777030451582118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8054883.post-1114550868837772052005-04-27T09:27:00.000+12:002005-04-27T09:27:00.000+12:00You are probably right on that. My background on t...You are probably right on that. My background on this was mostly Roy Jenkins' biog of Churchill. The Gallipoli campaign lacked support in the General Staff, who saw the Western Front as paramount. (As you probably know, Churchill was First Lord of the Admiralty and was often at odds with Kitchener, the War Minister). Possibly a refusal by NZ to commit troops would have been the tipping point in forcing a rethink on the Dardenelles campaign.Richhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17092996828683002246noreply@blogger.com